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Post by Lottie on 1st December 2010, 10:05 am

I had a thunk the other day, not much of one, just a little one and wondered why this doesn't apply to politics?

If I bought an iron and it says on the pack, "Will make things flat and uncreased" then I open it and it burns everything of makes it creasier and then blows up, I can get my money back as it is "not fit for purpose..." if I pay a window cleaner to clean my windows (I wish.. Laughing Rolling Eyes ), and he actually comes along and throws mud on them, I believe I am within my rights not to pay him, as he's not performing the task I hired him for.... so why, pray enlighten me... when you vote for the Lib Dems, or any party that makes a pledge, can you not turn round and say "Oi you've not done what you promised, on yer bake?" I don't get it... Embarassed Companies have to be soooo careful on how they advertise their products or services, numerous bodies exist t enforce them.

Is there nothing to bind a politician to their word? Is it not obtaining goods (ie our vote) through fraudulent means, (ie lying?) Not a verbal contract? Anything?

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Post by mark barker on 1st December 2010, 11:18 am

Given that the current government never made any claims or promises (the coalition never stood for election) I guess they've not actually done anything wrong.....

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Post by Hairyloon on 1st December 2010, 11:57 am

mark barker wrote:Given that the current government never made any claims or promises (the coalition never stood for election) I guess they've not actually done anything wrong.....
There are a lot of students who voted Lib-Dem who might argue with you on that.
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Post by Lottie on 1st December 2010, 12:05 pm

mark barker wrote:Given that the current government never made any claims or promises (the coalition never stood for election) I guess they've not actually done anything wrong.....

I voted for lib dems so that my children may have a chance at University without coming out with huge amounts of debt,. If I hadn't voted Lib dem on that premise they would not be in the position to be in government as a coillition, therefore, to my mind, they got there through deceipt, and if they aren't gong to deliver what they say on their packet, I want my money back... Twisted Evil Laughing or my vote again... Rolling Eyes I guess what I'm trying to say is... if there is no law to ensure that people don't obtain votes through deception, what is going to stop me from going for election by promisng an end to World poverty, no carbon emissions and free chocolate for all... Neutral

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Post by mark barker on 1st December 2010, 3:17 pm

Lottie wrote:what is going to stop me from going for election by promisng an end to World poverty, no carbon emissions and free chocolate for all... Neutral
I'd vote for you! Laughing Chocolate is always a winner!

I'm not a fan of any politicians, but I do think the coalition folks have been given a hard time before they've had the chance to show us what they can do. Not living upto election blurb is nothing new, in fact I think you'd be hard pushed to find a recent government that has...


As for the tuition fees, I think that the whole thing has been blown totally out of proportion by the media, but thats only my opinion!

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Post by Hairyloon on 1st December 2010, 3:30 pm

Lottie wrote:I want my money back... Twisted Evil Laughing or my vote again... Rolling Eyes
Best I can offer you is a local referendum. But if you add up enough local referenda, then you can cover the whole constituency...

If Sheffield student's are not a bunch of apathetic whingers, then young Mr Clegg could be in trouble: there is one Community Assembly that covers most of his constituency. Mad
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Post by Lottie on 2nd December 2010, 10:13 am

mark barker wrote: Not living up to election blurb is nothing new, in fact I think you'd be hard pushed to find a recent government that has...


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Well it blessed well should be....hurrumph, or what is the point in having any policy at all, if you can change your mind at the last minute! It's like Tempting you with my choccy promise.... ooohh yes, I promise you all the choccy you can eat if you vote for me..... honest injun..... Twisted Evil Laughing and then saying..oops sorry did I say choccy? I actually meant poo... Neutral you wouldn't be happy... would you? She asks worriedly... Shocked
But thanks for the vote... Laughing

HL, waht about this recal thingy, is that set in stone yet? I may be forced to write a letter soon.... Shocked

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Post by Hairyloon on 2nd December 2010, 11:34 am

Lottie wrote:HL, waht about this recal thingy, is that set in stone yet? I may be forced to write a letter soon.... Shocked
Is the Pope Jewish?
I have not heard anything about it since the election, except a discussion on another forum in relation to student protests... in their case, they don't really need a change in the law: they could go the way I suggested earlier.
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Post by Lottie on 2nd December 2010, 11:49 am

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Lottie wrote:HL, waht about this recal thingy, is that set in stone yet? I may be forced to write a letter soon.... Shocked
Is the Pope Jewish?
I have not heard anything about it since the election, except a discussion on another forum in relation to student protests... in their case, they don't really need a change in the law: they could go the way I suggested earlier.

The Pope? I think he's undecided at the min.... Laughing Wink

Soo yet another no show then, my list of hurrumphs in getting longer, I may have to turn over a new page in my naughty book.... Twisted Evil

I dunno, they wonder why voters are apathetic, what is the point when you don't ever get what you voted for??? I always vote, by the way, before someone hits me over the noggin with a ballot box.... Rolling Eyes , but I am reaching the point where I don't know who to vote for or who to believe... and that's sad... Neutral

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Post by Hairyloon on 2nd December 2010, 1:50 pm

Lottie wrote:Soo yet another no show then, my list of hurrumphs in getting longer, I may have to turn over a new page in my naughty book.... Twisted Evil
Hey, don't rely on me as a source of current affairs: I was about to kick off about the lack of a referendum on electoral reform. :?
It may be a half arsed reform, but it does meet their promise.
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Post by mr_sfstk8d on 2nd December 2010, 2:16 pm

My favorite political quip comes from the TV show Futurama.

Mila: "Sure the two candidates are cloned from the same DNA, but they have some key differences on issues"

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John Jackson: "I say your proposed three percent tax increase goes too far!"

Jack Johnson: "And I say your proposed three percent tax increase doesn't go too far enough!"
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Post by Lottie on 2nd December 2010, 3:45 pm

Laughing

Bout sums it up.....

Unfortunately, HL, I made you my politically aware mentor about 3 years ago, you're gonna have to screw up big time to get out of it now...... Twisted Evil til I disagree with you that is..... then anything could happen.... death


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Post by Hairyloon on 2nd December 2010, 10:39 pm

Well, if you're going to be like that, then look out: the Revolution is coming. Shocked
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Post by Lottie on 3rd December 2010, 9:07 am

Where! Shocked

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Post by Dandelion on 3rd December 2010, 8:37 pm

DD1 sent a forthright letter to Nick Clegg expressing her disappointment with the coalition's stance on student tuition fees, and specifically berating the Lib Dems for their u-turn on this topic. She said at the end of the letter 'Don't bother to reply unless you can give me a concrete reason to vote for the Lib dems in the future.' It's been four weeks, and no reply yet.......

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Post by Compostwoman on 3rd December 2010, 8:50 pm

I remember being a Labour party member and activist .....and resigning a week in after May 1 1997 due to 2 huge U turns...the BNRR and Tuition fees ( from none) being given the go ahead ...

Nothing changes even 13 years on.........

They ALL lie.

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Post by Adrian on 3rd December 2010, 10:23 pm

The abandonment of Clause 4 was the beginning of the end for me the Invasion of Iraq the absolute end.

I have come to the conclusion that there is now no political party that represent my ethical and political core, it saddens me but there you are.

I read this week that our Federal environment minister is an AGW denier and has actively worked against Canadas commitment to Kyoto, that was the final nail for me. I will continue to work in my local community but I don't believe that we will ever persuade our "leaders" to think about anything but oil interests...

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Post by Compostwoman on 3rd December 2010, 11:58 pm

I agree...I now work only on local stuff and actively eschew any wider politiccing...I am so disenchanted with politics, so I only do stuff which I know will benefit my local area.........


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Post by Hairyloon on 4th December 2010, 12:07 am

The only suggestion I've got is that we all have the power to call a local referendum.
If we can hold enough local referenda to provide a representative sample, they would struggle to ignore it...
Not sure what question we should be voting on mind; just a general vote of no confidence? Or a full on vote to depose Parliament?
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