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Post by Sparhawk on 12th December 2010, 10:51 am

Am now hacked off as I have just found our next door neighbour (not the new one) has just had a new boiler installed, 2 house bricks away from the covered seating bit I built earlier this year in the garden ("the outback" 'cos its... out the back...), with a flipping great flue under the level of the roof that is going to top it up with fumes, & may possibly cause the roof to melt & the wood to scorch, they have put a metal plate above it to protect their roof but nothing on our bit...

Grrr...



Am of to sulk & work out how I can add some sort of deflector to stop us having to wear oxygen masks, & fire proof helmets to stop the globules of melted plastic dripping on our heads when we want to relax in the garden...



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Post by Dandelion on 12th December 2010, 3:46 pm

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Am of to sulk & work out how I can add some sort of deflector to stop us having to wear oxygen masks, & fire proof helmets to stop the globules of melted plastic dripping on our heads when we want to relax in the garden...

Why not invite the neighbours round for a BBQ when their boiler is on, and hand out oxygen masks and helmets when they arrive??? (And please take some photos to share!!)

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Post by Sparhawk on 12th December 2010, 9:46 pm

Jaded Green wrote:spar - are the builder still around - can you talk to them?

No, I don't know who did it, unfortunately its not the builder that I'm getting on with from the other next door, & tbh I don't think he would have done it...

DL Will take some phots...

I just have to wait until the boiler flashes & have a look & see what the plume does, I have a couple of ideas, the other problem may be the fumes blowing into YSSs' bedroom window if it is open...
I have just thought about that one as I have been typing...

Oh, this could turn into a nightmare...

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Post by mr_sfstk8d on 12th December 2010, 10:01 pm

Who the heck plumbed this monstrosity? Flue coming out side of wall and terminating UNDER the sashes??? Is there no building code? Was there no building inspector involved in checking the finished product? (Here, a "major repair/update" requires renewed build permit/inspection.) Will the contractor involved be seeing a fines notice length of his arm? And, as you say it's a couple bricks down, is this a townhouse? Connected building? Is there provision in the tennant covenants for this type of works? Need to get the owners' collective involved? Ugh....

In my line, I have to follow federal/state/county/local district laws as well as company internal guidelines so strictly, not less the documentation of such, that it really gets me steamed to see someone get taken for a half-arse job by a contractor cutting all corners.

Hmm... maybe should have gone into the "Let off Steam" Thread, lol
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Post by Chilli-head on 13th December 2010, 11:11 am

sparhawk wrote:

Am now hacked off as I have just found our next door neighbour (not the new one) has just had a new boiler installed, 2 house bricks away from the covered seating bit I built earlier this year in the garden, with a fipping great flue under the level of the roof that is going to top it up with fumes, & may possibly cause the roof to melt & the wood to scorch, they have put a metal plate above it to protect their roof but nothing on our bit...

Bad luck. You could check with building regs part J

Look at section 3 diagram 34 and the table that goes with it. Probably won't help a lot because a fanned flue can be just 300mm from an adjacent boundary.
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Post by Wilhelm Von Rhomboid on 13th December 2010, 11:46 am

Chilli-head wrote:
sparhawk wrote:

Am now hacked off as I have just found our next door neighbour (not the new one) has just had a new boiler installed, 2 house bricks away from the covered seating bit I built earlier this year in the garden, with a fipping great flue under the level of the roof that is going to top it up with fumes, & may possibly cause the roof to melt & the wood to scorch, they have put a metal plate above it to protect their roof but nothing on our bit...

Bad luck. You could check with building regs part J

Look at section 3 diagram 34 and the table that goes with it. Probably won't help a lot because a fanned flue can be just 300mm from an adjacent boundary.

I would be onto your local Building Control Officer pronto if I were you. That sounds utterly non-compliant.

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Post by Sparhawk on 14th December 2010, 1:34 am

Thanks Badger (I arsked if it could be split into a seperate thread.)...

Thanks Billy & Chilli, your replies certainly give food for thought, although having looked at the diagrams, from what I understand I think they may be within the limits all be it only just...

But will think about inviting the BCO around, & taking photes of the plume when it fires (which it hasn't done yet) as with the forecast this week it should be cold enough to be a good plume...

I don't think its going to be the the closeness to the "outback" I think I will have to just put up with & deal with that, its going to be the fumes blowing back at YSS's window, but I guess evidence gathering is going to be my way ahead...

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Post by Hairyloon on 14th December 2010, 2:00 am

There is a thing called "nuisance" in common law, which is defined as interference with the quiet enjoyment of your land (or something like that).

Have you actually tried a friendly word with your neighbours about it?
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Post by Sparhawk on 14th December 2010, 3:52 pm

Hairyloon wrote:Have you actually tried a friendly word with your neighbours about it?

It wouldn't do any good, I have known them for something in the region of 30+ years, all I would get is a "its in my garden," I would have to prove that they actually arent allowed to put it there before they would take any notice...

If the boot was on the other foot I would have asked them if it would be a problem...

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Post by Guest on 14th December 2010, 5:20 pm

Not sure why others have said it isn't complying with part J.

The modern fan assisted flues get stuck almost anywhere except next to each other. I would have thought that you could tell if it was running, if it is fan assisted, as you can hear it. Can't you just deflect the air from you seating area with a plant or something? The window also should be ok.

When I built my house in the UK the normal operation was the easy it, the fire risk if the boiler goes up is another. That is why I think they have the metal plate.

I'm surprised you haven't got some sort of privacy wall between you anyway....

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Post by Dandelion on 14th December 2010, 6:00 pm

Is it a man flue?

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Post by Sparhawk on 14th December 2010, 7:19 pm

Dandelion wrote:Is it a man flue?



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Post by Sparhawk on 14th December 2010, 7:44 pm

Zoe wrote:Not sure why others have said it isn't complying with part J.

The modern fan assisted flues get stuck almost anywhere except next to each other.

I would have thought that you could tell if it was running, if it is fan assisted, as you can hear it.

Can't you just deflect the air from you seating area with a plant or something?

The window also should be ok.

When I built my house in the UK the normal operation was the easy it, the fire risk if the boiler goes up is another. That is why I think they have the metal plate.

I'm surprised you haven't got some sort of privacy wall between you anyway....

I think they are trying to help, as I have no knowledge of the installation regulations regarding flues, which was why I broached the question.

The reason they have refered me to part J is the fact that it has been installed close to my boundary on their single story extension, but below the level of the roof of the outside seating area that I built last year.

I it hasn't been running yet that I have heard, also I would have thought that I would be able too see it too, air temperature being in the lower single figures at the moment which I presume will be a fair bit lower than the temperature of the exhaust being kicked out, & none of the metal bits are discoloured through heat...

The idea of deflecting the hot gasses had occured but I don't know how far along I will have to go until I can see it fired up.

My concerns are for the possibilities of fumes & gasses that are heavier than air being fanned into the seating area & causing us to not be very well.
My other concern is that if the fumes do get blown back towards the house YSS's bedroom window is only about 3 m away.

We do have a privacy fence between the houses, a new fence that we put in this summer, & the bottom of the flue is situated level with the top of the fence...

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Post by freebird on 23rd October 2011, 8:54 am

I know this topic is pretty old now, but being new, have only just seen it.

If the boiler was installed in 2010, then it will be a condensing boiler, and the flue gases will be no more than 55 - 60 degrees C, so you don't have to worry about things melting. You could deflect the plume with foliage, but bear in mind that the water vapour that you see coming from the flue will be slightly acidic and will tend to brown any leaves in its path.

The best solution (but you would need to get your neighbours to agree) would probably be a plume management kit that fits on the flue. The boiler manufacturer probably makes one.

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Post by freebird on 23rd October 2011, 5:39 pm

Sorry but just thought of a bit more, and don't know how to edit the original post.
1. Flue gases are lighter, not heavier than air, as they emerge from the flue.
2. Unless the prevailing winds blow them constantly in the direction of your window, it is fairly unlikely they will cause you a problem in that area.
3. I know it's not much consolation, but (assuming this is a gas boiler, rather than oil or other fuel), the products of combustion from properly burnt gas comprise mainly carbon dioxide and water vapour, with very small amounts of carbon monoxide and other gases. I'm not suggesting for a minute that you want that wafting around your outside seating area, but many people assume that flue gases are deadly poisonous.
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Post by Sparhawk on 24th October 2011, 3:39 pm

Thanks very much for that, I have kept an eye on it & it doesn't seem to be on that much, I think I'l sit back & monitor over the winter when I can see more plume more often. I think the answer would be for me to put some sort of deflector up, & live with it...

Either that or pack it with clay!!! Twisted Evil

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