Re: The forum rules

by Compostwoman on 16th November 2009, 10:11 am

Well...I can't spot any spelling corrections Badger..it looked pretty good to me in the first instance! :cheers: But the font is smaller... Laughing

Is there a prize for spotting the changes you have made? Laughing

by Hairyloon on 9th December 2009, 1:39 pm

compostwoman wrote:and they don't want to take away any ownership rights we have over our individual posts which I, for one, appreciate very much. :heart:

Hmm.

Badger wrote: We therefore reserve the right to assume copyright on user contributions submitted, this includes, but is not limited to the Forums, Articles, Recipe Book, How To.. and other sections of the website.

Still gives "we" the option to stamp a copyright label on someone's post and thereby prevent them from publishing it elsewhere.

Not for one second suggesting that "we" might be inclined to do that, but perhaps a slight adjustment might be considered?

And have you actually defined who "we" is?

I'm sure you all know I'm not trying to cause trouble.
It is a clarification, not a criticism.

by Compostwoman on 9th December 2009, 4:05 pm

Hello Hairyloon...!

If you read what you have quoted, in context with the very next part....

7.01 : However, we will not assume copyright of private or commercial previously copyrighted material including, but not limited to, song lyrics, photographs, articles, recipes or published quotations/speech, unless we are specifically authorized to do so by the original copyright owner - where this ownership is not conferred, copyright remains with the original author.

It is clear enough to me that this forum is NOT going to claim copyright.

by Hairyloon on 9th December 2009, 5:36 pm

compostwoman wrote:If you read what you have quoted, in context with the very next part....
7.01 : However, we will not assume copyright of private or commercial previously copyrighted material...

So it is only guarranteed if you have already put copyright on it
Granted, as I understand, you don't have to actually do anything to claim copyright on your work, but that makes it ambiguous... and ambiguity is what makes lawyers fat.
Or, in the alternative, the statement has no power, and therefore has no purpose
I'm not especially bothered about it myself, but somebody went and wired up my radar to copyright issues...

It is clear enough to me that this forum is NOT going to claim copyright.

Well, I would hope it wouldn't, and I believe that it won't, but that does beg the question of why put it in the T&C that it might? :?

[P.S. Can I suggest that, once this little debate is finished, these posts should be deleted?]

by Adrian on 9th December 2009, 5:41 pm

Hairyloon wrote:
Still gives "we" the option to stamp a copyright label on someone's post and thereby prevent them from publishing it elsewhere.

Not for one second suggesting that "we" might be inclined to do that, but perhaps a slight adjustment might be considered?

The copyright label is there to prevent people coming onto this site and stealing content. It is there to protect the users who choose to contribute their previously written and made material. AS CW pointed out "we" have no interst in claiming copyright on peoples work - past, present or future (unlike a certain un-named forum)

Hairyloon wrote:And have you actually defined who "we" is?

I'm sure you all know I'm not trying to cause trouble.
It is a clarification, not a criticism.

We is me - the bloke who set up the forum, spent the time putting it all together, takes the time to run it and owns the domain and my partner, the bloke who pays the bills.

by Compostwoman on 9th December 2009, 6:12 pm

Having been the person who alerted HL to this issue "elsewhere" I can understand his asking the questions...but be assured HL, I wouldn't post on here if I wasn't totally happy it wasn't going to happen again....

I have no desire ever again to spend 2 and a half plus years of my life, and 10, 000 plus posts...with all the time and effort involved....just to have them get deleted again... Evil or Very Mad

because I wouldn't agree to handing over my copyright to them.

by Hairyloon on 9th December 2009, 10:36 pm

Badger wrote:The copyright label is there to prevent people coming onto this site and stealing content. It is there to protect the users who choose to contribute their previously written and made material.

I had assumed something like that to be the motives behind it, and with that assumption, I just felt it could be better put. I'm not sure it is strictly necessary, as I believes the law assumes copyright, but I agree it is better to make that clear.
Just off the top of my head:
"Content of this forum is copyrighted, and should not be reproduced without the permission of the Author or the forum management."
As I've said, I'm not particularly bothered, I can just see the potential for problems.

We is me - the bloke who set up the forum, spent the time putting it all together, takes the time to run it and owns the domain and my partner, the bloke who pays the bills.

You sound a little defensive. I was only asking, you should be used to me by now. Wink

But there was as serious point: I was expecting "we" to be the organisation that runs the forum (which of course it is) and that should be defined somewhere (not who, but what). Doesn't matter while the forum is small, but it might become important when it gets big.

by RuthG on 21st September 2011, 11:12 pm

Hi, just joined the other day and thought I would read the rules before posting. They seem a very fair and comprehensive set of rules, but I can understand the dilemma with the copyright issue. It sounds like unless the material is copyright already (ie a quote from a published book etc) then the site claims copyright over the material posted herein - have I got that right? In other words, if Badger wanted to write a book using the tips and comments on this forum, he could do so?

BTW, throughout the rules, you have referred to the site as 'Handmade', yet the title of the forum is 'Homemade'.